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on: Fri Nov 08, 2019 - 08:01:07
Re: Works of the Law

Again, so much that is wrong in your post that it is tough to deal with.  But I am convinced of the basic problem.  You sincerely believe that our spirits originally come from our parents.
4WD, it would have been nice to see you start where I started with you, in explaining the new birth per Jesus' words from John 3:8.
In point of fact, I actually did really start with an explanation of the new birth per Jesus' words from John 3.  Concerning verse 8, I had already discussed that briefly in reply #131 to Michael.
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Your serious error is this: you equate being "born OF God" and born again as TWO different doctrines when the scriptures make them ONE and THE SAME!
That is not strictly true.  Our spirits are not born of flesh at birth as you believe.  Our spirits are born of God at birth. Our spirits at some point in life then become dead in our own trespasses and sins. In the new birth our spirits, born of God at, or before,  birth which become dead in our own trespasses and sins, are then born again of God. 

RB your believing that our spirits originally come from our parents flies in the face of Jesus' own words; Jesus said "That which is born of the flesh is flesh" (John 3:6); But you continue to insist that our spirits are born of flesh. THEY ARE NOT; IF IT IS BORN OF FLESH, THEN IT IS FLESH  --  PERIOD. RB, if it is born of flesh it cannot be spirit.
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4WD your understanding of being born again does not answers Nicodemus' question "how can these things be"
But my understanding of being born again does indeed answer Nicodemus' question.  It is you who do not even understand Nicodemus' question.  Nicodemus' question was not about his spirit; his question obviously was about his physical life.  That was why he asked the question, "How can these...
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